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Polite Political Discourse Episode 3: Religion in Politics

Join hosts Dakota Coddington and Tyler Overbey in Polite Political Discourse, as they engage in intellectual, bipartisan, conversation. The two intend on attempting to understand each others political views, while-be-it the complete opposites of each other. 

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    Owen HorneMar 22, 2018 at 12:14 pm

    wish these things had a transcript.

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    • J

      Joey BabcockMar 22, 2018 at 1:37 pm

      welcome ladies and gentlemen my name is

      Tyler Overby and I am here with my host

      Dakota Coddington and we are here to

      talk about yet another political topic

      today what will you decide to talk about

      is a little bit controversial but I

      think it’s something that we can all

      handle we decided that we wanted to

      discuss religions interplay into

      politics more just address kind of in a

      broad way all of the ways that people

      incorporate political ideas are not

      political ideas religious ideals and

      beliefs into their political thinking

      and we’re gonna dress the pros and cons

      of both because as I’m sure some of you

      know as you can see what the code is all

      of Dakota’s I love my church t-shirts

      anywhere it’s to school all the time

      which we know and love we know that he’s

      very involved with his church we know

      that he’s very involved with religion as

      with his whole family who have met all

      of them they’re very wonderful people

      and we this kind of this idea came out

      of a conversation that him and I had

      previously where I just wanted to voice

      some of my concerns and some of my

      questions because I myself am of faith

      but I have found myself questioning it

      throughout the years and having some

      some pretty good thought processes about

      it that I think everyone should you know

      it’s healthy to think about but what I’d

      like to start off with which is my

      starting opinion for this conversation

      is I don’t really think which is this

      tends to be more of a conservative thing

      to happen I don’t really think it’s a

      good idea to transfer over the sayings

      and teachings of the Bible into

      everything that gets played into

      politics and that can be large and that

      can be small so that can be literal

      where like with abortion and how

      everyone especially the Catholic Church

      is very against it and they that’s

      because it’s a very specific detailed

      ruling about the way that they’re

      supposed to be and then there’s also on

      the other side of the spectrum there’s a

      lot lighter versions of that which is

      just be good to your neighbor be good

      people

      ironically some of the the people that

      live by those ideals tend to do the

      opposite in terms of our economy and

      businesses because they like to screw

      over other people and take their money

      at least that’s the way that I’ve seen

      it throughout the years but to get back

      to my main point it was more of a

      question I wanted to ask Dakota and an

      argument in the sense of is it okay to

      just blindly follow exactly what is said

      in the Bible and exactly what it said

      you know when we don’t really know

      everything for sure we don’t know

      everything for absolute all we know is

      that these are that the disciples are

      human in their human people that years

      and years ago wrote this book and all

      humans have done some great things and

      they’ve done some some great terror

      thing horrible things as well and I’m

      not saying I’m not trying to make any

      sort of argument that the Bible isn’t

      real or religion is fake or it shouldn’t

      be valued I think it’s some one of the

      most important things and finding

      empathy and true love with in the world

      and with people in it

      but my big thing is I just don’t like

      how people with that are very religious

      what they seem to do a lot in politics

      is they seem to pick and choose what

      they want to believe and what they want

      to follow in the Bible and of course I

      mean you look at it from an adolescent

      standpoint and then you see like oh like

      not having sex before marriage it’s a

      big thing that people all break the

      rules on that all the time and they

      think oh well I can still be a good

      Christian and still do that I mean

      there’s plenty of people I’m not saying

      that any of those people are bad we’re

      all guilty we’ve all done our share of

      things but you need to be cognizant of

      the fact that you’re still not following

      that rule and people seem to pick and

      choose and the biggest thing that I want

      to say yet again and then I’ll stop for

      a little bit and let Dakota talk is I

      just wanted to get out everything right

      away is my biggest thing is the

      contention about gay marriage in this

      country is something that I just think

      and or transgender people the

      controversy of the belief in that people

      adults struggling to comprehend the

      these new things to them and honestly

      like I think it’s just horrible that

      there’s so much hatred with but I

      understand that with misunderstanding

      common doubts and fears and that makes a

      lot of sense but at the same time that

      comes from the Book of Leviticus and in

      the Book of Leviticus they say that a

      marriage is between a man and the woman

      but the thing about that Book of

      Leviticus which I have taken the time to

      read they also have like 75 other things

      and that’s not an exaggeration that and

      you can look it up that they tell you

      not to do and there are very simple

      everyday things that people blatantly

      disregard all the time

      I can think of them for example you

      can’t eat certain types of meat you

      can’t touch unclean animals you can’t if

      you fail to testify about doing

      something that you’ve done wrong and you

      failed to tell anybody about it then

      that’s considered a sin you can’t eat

      certain types of fat like I said there’s

      just a bunch of other things you can’t

      tear your clothes you can’t drink

      alcohol and holy places you can’t and

      these are all very simple things and

      it’s just it’s weird I mean it’s weird

      that people do that because that’s a

      very cut and dry example of a section of

      the Bible where things are disregarded

      but it seems that that’s a lot of how

      racism and hatred is started and stirred

      in our country it’s from people picking

      and choosing those good morals from the

      Bible because they believe that if

      they’re following some of them they’re

      following all of them that makes them a

      holy good person and that’s why all

      those holy good southern folk in the

      South in the early 50s and 60s were so

      hate hateful towards our

      african-american brothers was because

      they believed that they were doing God’s

      righteous work and that they were the

      holy good people and it was through

      something that God would have never have

      ever wanted he had to have any sort of

      hatred towards his kit children in my

      opinion which I always thought was the

      big contradiction with religious people

      anyway with spreading enforcing or

      spreading love but enforcing hey you

      gotta make everyone feel loved and

      include

      and that’s what it was always the number

      one thing in the Bible was love thy

      neighbor and yet homosexuals transgender

      any member of the LGBT community as well

      as still in this day African Americans

      and Hispanic Asian Native American folk

      a lot of people in groups are still

      receiving all sorts of hatred and

      disrespect in the belief that these

      people are less than us and that is not

      a what was said in the Bible and I don’t

      know how all of these conservative

      politicians got that mixed up especially

      in and that’s less about not nowadays

      more especially in the early early

      likelike you know the 60s and the 50s

      and what in the hundred years before in

      America that you know all that time was

      just horrific and it was there was blood

      drawn there was lines crossed and it was

      never supposed to be the way that it

      turned out but they these people who

      thought that they were doing what was

      right and I just and you can see that

      that leads to some horrible things and

      that’s why I think it’s bad I believe

      and a separation between church and

      state I don’t think that you know

      privately funded things like school

      should get any sort of federal

      government money like unless it’s for

      things that are applied to all the other

      schools I think that it needs to be non

      secular it needs to have the scrutiny of

      being you know separated because there’s

      a fine line like recently in to talk in

      more recent news there was a talk of

      there having an open casket honoring of

      a reverend in the white house for the

      first time and paul ryan talked about it

      and donald trump talked about it saying

      he was a respectful man and there are a

      lot of people that don’t think so and

      whether or not you believe that this man

      was good or deserves the honoring it is

      something to say of well should this

      reverend be showcased in the capital and

      be honored in a situation where we are a

      nation filled of different religions and

      I’m not saying that being a good person

      while being a faith isn’t something that

      is worth recognizing it’s just kind of a

      fine line because the allegiances are

      definitely there

      like oh well this man was a great

      Catholic man he did all these great

      things and it’s really just kind of

      contentious and so to wrap all that up I

      just say in general it’s something to be

      wary of but that’s why I turn it over to

      my partner Dakota because I’d love for

      him to maybe address some separate

      points that might cover the cotton the

      topic a little bit better so what I’m

      hearing is you don’t think I just want

      to clarify yes you don’t think we should

      have any any religious entanglements

      yeah entanglements between like the

      government and religious and religion

      yes because yes because you believe that

      with religion comes the the bias of yes

      the bias and I think and I’m glad I

      think that words all of my crazy

      different separate points on together

      very well because that’s that’s where I

      think the corruption comes especially

      like when I was saying like with those

      privately funded schools and the

      privately you know all the the private

      connections between the states and the

      government’s especially like in in

      England in the olden times when it was

      the Roman Catholic Church and it’s

      connected to the royalty I mean when you

      had all that it made it so the

      government played into the religion and

      the religion played into the government

      and that really isn’t shouldn’t be what

      happens especially when you have a

      nation full of different religions and

      it seems that to be honest it’s like

      picking favorites because it’s already

      kind of a stretch to do in the pledge of

      allegiance and say under God and you

      know do put your right like some people

      just don’t believe in that and I’m not

      saying that you should abolish doing the

      Pledge of Allegiance and I’m not saying

      that you shouldn’t have you know the

      country shouldn’t do any like oh under

      God when he’s sworn in this president or

      so help me God any of that it’s just

      you’ve got to be wary of all the other

      people because you don’t want to

      associate the country with something

      that’s gonna be very what’s the word

      that’s gonna have some segregation and

      their lack of a better word yeah because

      you’re establishing that you’re not the

      same as the other people you’re saying

      all right if you say that

      nation is Oh in God’s and god we trust’

      it’s God’s country God’s favorite place

      and all that like what about all the

      Jewish in the Muslim and the Hindu and

      all in the air whatever your religion is

      in the country they’re not gonna feel as

      close with them as connected as one as a

      part of the nation and that’s why I

      think it should just be our our country

      independent of itself and of course I

      see the value and I see what a lot of

      people will say which is it encourages

      good character encourages good morals

      that’s so there’s nothing wrong with it

      and that’s right but like I’m saying

      people can a lot of humans make mistakes

      and they can abuse the the good rules a

      lot of the people that are bad in this

      world of some of the most clever because

      they know how to get around rules and I

      mean all of those things I just told you

      aspetta mean I cry every day thinking

      about how sad it is like but so much

      hatred has been spread throughout

      hundreds and hundreds of years about

      towards gay people towards people of

      color it’s horrific because there’s

      nothing that they had ever done it

      deserved and my biggest thing to tell to

      address people that don’t understand

      people that are transgender if that’s

      the way that they were wanted to be and

      that’s truly what they want then that’s

      what they should get because if you

      really think about it and especially

      where people say like oh it’s just a

      mental disorder being gay and like oh or

      or being transgender it’s just they’re

      either wacko or whatever that’s well a

      lot of people say and I’m address I’m

      saying this now because it’s a problem

      that people are saying that because it I

      mean it’s just it’s horrific to think

      about how these people are considered

      less or considered not holy for being

      gay or being transgender because God put

      them on this earth for a reason that’s

      the number one thing that people always

      told me in the church was that all

      people were born with the same morals

      and the same ideals I mean come on all

      men are created equal and yet look I

      mean it’s just one of those things where

      God who had never taught hatred and

      a lot of God’s things that have been

      done in God’s name throughout hundreds

      of thousands of years have been in

      hatred and I think that all that the

      people in this world deserve is love and

      I think that it’s just like I said just

      very heartbreaking because I believe

      that it really is God’s plan and and

      that’s something that you and I have had

      had a real big headbutt about before

      which was whether or not its genetic or

      whatever or not its mental or if it

      really is what God wants because oh if

      it’s said in the Bible that man is

      between men and a woman man a woman then

      why would a man love another man but you

      look back and you think about well if

      Hitler kill killed gay people and there

      was gay people back then there is gay

      people back in like Mozart’s age because

      they write about it even now and you can

      read about it that there’s a trend there

      it’s not like this is some recent thing

      of oh my god a guy loves another guy

      girl loves another girl and it’s so

      unanimous without any sort of

      interaction it’s not like it was just

      like this thing that just came out of

      nowhere people have had it and I’ve had

      and there’s so many people through all

      the years that have shared their

      experiences of hiding it and be feeling

      ashamed and now that we’re in a world

      that’s more connected than ever because

      of social media because of all the great

      connections that we can have in this

      world now because of Technology people

      have a community across the world they

      don’t even have to have any friends that

      are gay in their school or in their town

      because they have people in California

      when they’re in Michigan or whatever and

      it’s great because now you can really

      see just how many people are a part of

      this I think that the LGBT community is

      growing more and more every day not in

      the sense of people becoming gay or

      anything but in the sense of people

      finally having that confidence to tell

      people to identify as a member of the

      LGBT community because back in the you

      know the seventies people like Freddie

      Mercury were getting married when they

      were gay just so they could hold up the

      facade that they weren’t I mean that’s

      what happened and I don’t know I just

      think that all these people they come

      from a place of love and they come from

      a place of sincerity and so when people

      say I don’t like I’ve heard people talk

      about in the transgender bathroom thing

      oh it doesn’t belong in my bathroom with

      my daughter because they think they’re

      gonna rape somebody like they’re just

      wait thinking this over their head do

      you really think that someone would go

      through that much effort to molest

      somebody go under a sexual change of

      their actual physical body I just think

      that that’s perfectly Caribbean side

      that people would assume that out of a

      person that comes out publicly and says

      that this is really what I believe I

      believe I’m a woman when they’re a man

      and I believe or the other way around

      and it’s just heartbreaking

      and I know I’ve been going on and on but

      and I really want to know your side

      because I kind of feel like I’m drilling

      you down and I want to hear what you

      have to say about it so a lot topic well

      so in reality you’re saying like people

      people hate people discriminate and that

      kind of stuff and you’re saying that’s

      not what God intended yeah right and you

      are absolutely 100% correct there God

      put people on the earth to like the

      whole the whole reason why God made Eve

      was that Adam would have someone to love

      one right and that’s why that’s why we

      have communities that’s why we’re able

      to build relationships that’s why we’re

      able to make friends even like that’s

      why we’re here to to be a part of a

      community that’s what we are as humans

      we we are in community with each other

      and you’re right God God doesn’t want

      people to discriminate and God doesn’t

      want people to hate each other so when

      when whoever politicians or whoever when

      they go hey we hate gay people like

      that’s that’s I believe I firmly believe

      that’s wrong now I’m not gonna endorse

      gay marriage okay that’s just against my

      beliefs but I’m not gonna judge other

      people for going there it’s not my spot

      to judge that’s the thing like then

      you’re aware and that’s what i-i’ve

      always seen in you is I know you’re

      aware of the fact that it’s not your

      place to judge somebody for that yeah

      exactly but a lot of people and it might

      not even be it probably isn’t

      intentional but they automatically

      assume that because they’re another

      person in this world that they can think

      that they’re less than them yeah I mean

      just because of an orientation but can

      you wanna know so yes God says that’s my

      place to judge so when people go around

      they go hating each other when they’re

      protesting people’s funerals and stuff

      that’s that’s wrong what they’re doing

      is just as bad as anything else like

      murder whatever rape all that kind of

      stuff it’s all sin according to the

      Bible it’s all sin so when you go around

      you’re hating people it’s just as bad so

      but then what do you think about them

      doing that though and what do you think

      that means in terms of establishing

      connections between your religion and

      politics are you connect a religion to

      politics how would you defend someone

      that that does so closely connect their

      religious ties with their political ties

      it’s not saying like I said yeah I am

      saying it’s bad but I’m not trying to

      attack you for having that feeling I

      want to know what you think about it

      well my thing is I’m not saying we

      should you know unseparated the church

      and say because I think I think it’s

      good that we have separation between

      church and state that way we can have a

      system that doesn’t discriminate like

      America like freedom of religion freedom

      of speech if we only had one opinion I

      do think that’d be hard to have a

      society so I’m not I’m not saying we

      have to like bring the church and the

      government back together that’s not what

      I’m saying what I’m saying is

      I guess to answer your question like I

      believe that when the when the church

      and religion is I don’t like the word

      religion and religion is religion

      government yeah church and government I

      think when they are together when they

      come together I think it can be a great

      thing only if people are actually doing

      what God says because God doesn’t say

      protest gay marriages protests military

      funerals God doesn’t say to do any of

      that God says love your neighbor as

      yourself

      and if your neighbors gay and you’re

      like forget forget even like forget

      discriminating right let’s just say you

      just don’t like your neighbor because of

      that fact like that that’s a the exact

      opposite of what God says to do so wait

      what your what you’re feeling and what

      your addressing is legalism and we’ve

      talked a little bit about this before

      but when people when people decide the

      rules are more important than the people

      that’s when there’s problems that’s when

      like that’s when all the hate comes out

      cuz people go this rule is far more

      important than any other person and

      that’s where that’s that’s where the

      line gets and that’s and that’s

      something that I think comes with a lot

      of conservativism is people just blindly

      following those ideals or what I like to

      call from mister Bloomquist selective

      incorporation in the different means

      because they’re selectively

      incorporating the rules that they’re

      blindly following so I mean if you look

      at because a lot of religion is very

      broad and a lot of the government issues

      are very specific like I don’t know

      immigrants coming into the country or

      economy or healthcare it’s something

      that’s specifically addressed but when

      people are like are but people they make

      they assume what’s God’s intention you

      know what I mean and yeah to be honest

      with you like I can make a lot of real

      you could any person can twist it to be

      God’s will no matter what I mean think

      about like the pro-choice versus

      pro-life like that’s a whole like

      conversation of like well you could

      argue that like God wants the baby to

      stay obviously but you could also say oh

      well if

      could make it so people could discover

      how to remove babies from the body then

      they could do it like that’s I’m just

      I’m not saying that that’s like an

      argument that I’m making what I’m saying

      is that people do try to do that people

      are deliberately drawing like we’ve the

      way that God’s will is into these

      specific things yeah you know what I’m

      saying and with that it’s just you need

      to be cognizant I think that it’s good

      to have good morals but I think that you

      shouldn’t blindly follow it the thing I

      want you to talk at the very at the very

      beginning you talked about like the Book

      of Leviticus yes you said there’s all

      these rules that God clearly set forth

      saying like don’t eat pork don’t get a

      tattoo wear a golden or golden wedding

      ring oh now all that was great but that

      is a curse oh so what what you don’t

      realize is that was this is just a

      little historical context yes that was

      Abrahamic law that was for the

      Israelites specifically when it comes to

      following because back then they didn’t

      know things about like she what’s the

      word bacteria right yeah so God said

      when you go to the bathroom you go

      outside a camp you dig a hole you poo in

      the hole you cover it up and then you

      come back in cuz back then they didn’t

      know you know like that you can just set

      you can’t sleep in your own yeah exactly

      exactly they didn’t know that kind of

      stuff so a lot of those kind of rules

      are set in a time in a different time

      than it’s set in a different time and

      they’re sets for people that don’t

      understand now I’m not saying like look

      they’re set for our good right yeah that

      being said

      like a lot of the sacrifices they had to

      make like one of the specific rules are

      sacrificing you don’t see people running

      around sacrificing animals here yeah

      that’s because when Jesus came and this

      is part of the religion thing is

      religion yes yes yes I’ll talk about

      that later when the thing is when Jesus

      came he was the sacrifice and he changed

      through he didn’t change the rules he

      fulfilled the law because Jesus says the

      law is not as important as you so when

      Jesus came he said I’ll be the sacrifice

      ow

      I will become the law so that you can

      operate your own free will

      yes exactly so that you can live your

      own life your own life in me because

      before Jesus they had to sacrifice sheep

      they had the sacrifice that there was so

      many sacrifices it was ridiculous so is

      the point that you’re making that God

      Jesus came along and said you don’t have

      to do that anymore because I’m telling

      you that you don’t have to right

      I’m not saying some of them yeah I’m not

      debunking what you’re saying yeah I’m

      just drafting because and another thing

      that you said was which i think is a

      very very big thing that is an

      eye-opener to everybody the book was

      written a long time ago in a different

      time yeah and so when the man has been

      lovage between a man and a woman thing

      things change and like that’s whatever

      the first the number one like most

      rudimentary thing when it comes to this

      sort of argument is like yeah that exact

      thing and like I told you God may have

      it might have been a misinterpretation

      of God’s will because I truly truly

      believe that even back then God wouldn’t

      have said oh man is beloved is between

      just man and a woman because he wouldn’t

      have made it possible for a man to love

      another man or a woman

      another one hmm and see okay good okay

      let’s go go this is where this is where

      we go yes the polite discourse starts so

      Jesus Jesus actually never said he said

      I want to reiterate that Jesus said that

      yeah yeah yeah disciple yes yes so well

      when I was talking about Jesus becoming

      the new law mm-hmm

      that had nothing to do with marriage

      well actually did he said when you

      become part of the church you become my

      bride which is interesting the church is

      basically his bride answer step that’s a

      weird that’s interesting that’s a weird

      topic keep going

      no but so I’m not I’m not saying every

      single law in the Old Testament cuz

      obviously putting your poop somewhere

      else

      that’s a good that’s a good rule to live

      by and the thing is the thing is with

      you’re defending picking and choosing

      the rules in the Bible aren’t you know

      that’s what it sounds that’s what it

      sounds like I’ll admit that’s definitely

      what it sounds like but the thing is

      Jesus he didn’t pick and choose he

      became the law and he he specifically

      said like he said to Peter after after

      he had died and came back and went went

      back into heaven he said to Peter hey

      like in a vision Peter saw all these

      animals he saw it lizards he saw pigs he

      saw a bunch of weird animals and he said

      and God said then eat and Peter’s like

      uh-uh that foods unholy and gods like no

      eat and Peter’s like no no no God you

      said that was unholy and gods like no no

      no no I said that’s hope that eat it

      cuz through Jesus that’s fine and I

      guess the moral of the story is I’m not

      I’m not saying everything that you do

      it’s okay you don’t have to worry about

      already a very specific way just exactly

      what you feel just saying I’m not saying

      everything is justified in fact

      that sin is still sin no matter what you

      do God sees every sin the exact same way

      God sees murder as mert as a sin he sees

      a white liason he sees everything the

      exact same way and I believe that I

      don’t want to say homosexuality I want

      to say he clearly says marriage is

      between a man and a woman yes obviously

      biologically scientifically speaking

      there’s a man part and there’s a woman

      part yes and they go together yeah I am

      very familiar with that yes so

      scientifically speaking that’s the way

      it is and when you go in just I I don’t

      want to go there I’m on do it say it the

      thing is like when you when you try to

      subvert those rules you introduce things

      that were not designed to be that way in

      the same way there you go yeah you just

      hit the homerun that that’s that’s a

      that’s an online I’m not the thing is

      come on I’m not I’m not hating on

      anybody I love gay people I truly love

      transgender people I truly love the

      LGBTQ community but I personally don’t

      believe that that’s a good thing a good

      thing huh there’s not much that’s not my

      spot to judge though but but but I don’t

      end of the day you know that I’m glad

      because this is revealing some truth at

      the end of the day you still don’t feel

      like it’s something you agree yes and

      it’s and that is we’re not in you but in

      other kind you’re ever gonna happen in

      you yeah and other people that are not

      as kind and caring as you that’s where

      the hatred is bro yeah that’s where it

      comes from is being like oh well I still

      don’t understand you still don’t like I

      still to whatever but like this those

      people that say oh well and I for you

      hear it a lot in like the videos of

      people coming out as trans

      and whatever they say I don’t understand

      it but I love you so I’m gonna I’m gonna

      do I’m gonna love you unconditionally

      and I’m going to support you 100%

      yeah and that’s the that is what God

      intended and that’s what God like when

      you say that the changing the rules and

      understanding new things is with love

      and acceptance it’s not with insecurity

      and fear exactly I’m glad you could say

      that because you know this is something

      I’ve been thinking about cuz I hate sin

      Oh boys crying it’s like a I hate sin

      but I love people and what God says is

      he says love people that’s what you do

      you love people your job on this earth

      is to love people and let me love people

      and show them my love that’s what God

      says to do show them my love God doesn’t

      say hey go condemn everyone to hell

      because first of all you can’t do that

      yeah

      second of all it’s not your job to do

      that yeah third of all it just makes you

      look like a jerk and it paints everyone

      in a bad picture yeah so like I

      personally I don’t I I don’t condone gay

      marriage or and that kind of thing but I

      still have plenty of friends that are

      like that and I’m I love them as people

      and I’m not gonna go around judging them

      I’m not gonna try to you know like try

      to convert their treatment lengths or

      anything to treat them like let dirt

      through my friends yeah they’re they’re

      people that God placed in my life for me

      to love yeah so it is a different kind

      of it’s not like sexual love but it’s

      like a love like a undergone love and

      understanding so well to wrap up this

      conversation just cuz it’s in it is we

      did say that we were starting off on a

      broad topic of religion I wanted to to

      say a point that I think is big because

      I kind of made a point about it being

      like oh how is how do we really know

      that the button that religion is real

      and God is real and I’ve said this

      before to people and I and I want to

      have it on tape so I can actually like

      have it somewhere and I can refer to it

      in the future the way that I know

      without a shadow of a doubt

      God is real yeah the end of the day even

      though I’ve told you so much about how

      absolutely convinced that there’s

      something up with religion and all that

      I’m still at the end of the day gonna

      pray every single night like I’ve done

      since I was a little kid I’m going to

      believe because there is no way that in

      a world with no technology and no

      universal connection with hundreds and

      thousands of different languages in

      people of different races ethnicities

      and geological locations there is no way

      that all those different religions that

      came out of them that are still around

      today could have that much similarity in

      their origin and basic premise if there

      wasn’t an actual God like the fact that

      there’s Allah and the fact that there’s

      God linking Muslim and if it’s just so

      funny that they’re both so contentious

      with each other those two religions but

      the ideas are there Allah and God I mean

      ideally are supposed to be the similar

      ideas it’s a single manifestation of

      someone that came down and said I’m the

      savior and all that it’s just different

      you know different people different

      names different times different places

      different languages different

      interpretations and that’s what makes it

      all one big thing and it’s also at the

      same time hard to be able to compare

      religion as fact versus fantasy or /

      story I shouldn’t say fantasy Vic like

      story because it’s an interpretation of

      another human beings experiences not

      actually God’s written action of

      printing these words so that’s my way of

      my skepticism and my optimism and

      diligent combined because but at the end

      of the day I would say that there is no

      doubt in my mind that there isn’t some

      sort of God but I’m also a man of

      science the Big Bang all the scientific

      I mean there’s a lot of questions yeah

      so but that’s not what we were here to

      talk about today that wasn’t where we

      disagree that’s a topic for another

      that’s a topic for another time I just

      wanted to say that at the end of the day

      I still love you for who you are Dakota

      and I appreciate that

      I want you to know everyone listening

      that nothing that we talked about in

      this podcast will ever affect the way

      that we feel about each other as friends

      and we hope that we have the same with

      you we know I want you to know that

      these are just the way that this thought

      processes this is just a conversation

      we’re just spitballing we’re not

      we’re not we don’t have an agenda we’re

      not establishing ways to think we’re not

      trying to tell you what to think we’re

      just trying to teach you how to think

      you know we just want to say that we’re

      very thankful and we hope to see you

      next time on polite political discourse

      adios

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        Owen HorneMar 26, 2018 at 12:03 pm

        thanks

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          Joey BabcockMar 26, 2018 at 12:17 pm

          yw

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